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GregR said:
Not really related to the mock, but tot he actual draft... I'm a ND fan, grew up within bike-riding distance of campus. Would love us to get RB Audric Estime out of the draft. He had a bad combine 40 time (4.71) but improved it to 4.58 at his pro day. He's a big, tough runner with great balance and vision. Probably not going to end up being an Arian Foster from out of nowhere, but I think he can have a great NFL career, especially if paired with faster change of pace back.

He might be a 3rd round possibility but I'm afraid the pro day may cause him to climb. Already seeing stuff in the media the pro day 40 is moving him up boards.
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You’re also a fellow ND fan? 🙂

I would say an interesting prospect for us would be Cam Hart. He really came on the last two years and we need a CB. In the FBG mock, the value was there in round 3, but I think we could get great value if a WR drops to us in Rd3 and then in Rd4/5 we grab Hart. Could be win-win for needs.
 
JoeSteeler said:
Up now at 65

Thinking CB TJ Tampa or
WR Rocky Pearsall

Both projected to go late 2nd.

Both have been mocked to the Texans in various mocks I have read.
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By the way, some other positions of need besides CB and WR... LB depth, and safety. I think we're pretty thin at LB quality after the starters.
 
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GregR said:
JoeSteeler said:
Up now at 65

Thinking CB TJ Tampa or
WR Rocky Pearsall

Both projected to go late 2nd.

Both have been mocked to the Texans in various mocks I have read.
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By the way, some other positions of need besides CB and WR... LB depth, and safety. I think we're pretty thin at LB quality after the starters.
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Thanks.
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Good trade back.

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GregR said:
JoeSteeler said:
Up now at 65

Thinking CB TJ Tampa or
WR Rocky Pearsall

Both projected to go late 2nd.

Both have been mocked to the Texans in various mocks I have read.
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By the way, some other positions of need besides CB and WR... LB depth, and safety. I think we're pretty thin at LB quality after the starters.
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Thanks. Thinking of going with LB Cedric Gray unless I can find a WR I like
 
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GregR said:
JoeSteeler said:
Up now at 65

Thinking CB TJ Tampa or
WR Rocky Pearsall

Both projected to go late 2nd.

Both have been mocked to the Texans in various mocks I have read.
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By the way, some other positions of need besides CB and WR... LB depth, and safety. I think we're pretty thin at LB quality after the starters.
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Thanks. Thinking of going with LB Cedric Gray unless I can find a WR I like
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Texans need another safety too. If a top one is there, I’d consider it. But agreed that LB and WR are the ideal picks depending upon BPA.
 
Jayded said:
Texans need another safety too. If a top one is there, I’d consider it. But agreed that LB and WR are the ideal picks depending upon BPA.
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Thanks. I thought about Safety but didn’t see anyone I liked here. Even though we aren’t going that far, I do have picks 123-127-141 coming up and was hoping for WR and S in those picks.
 
Texans top offseason spending with $144.5M in guaranteed money. Texans spent the second-most guaranteed money on defense ($98 million).
 
Hrm, didn't see this when it happened 4 days ago, but heard it mentioned on the radio today: The Texans are restructuring veteran offensive lineman Tytus Howard’s $56 million contract to create $10.3 million in salary cap space. Houston now has over $27 million in cap space heading into April.
 
Diggs new WR1 for CJ Stroud?

Nico is coming off 80/1290/8TD season and looked the part of a potential stud in the making, he's 6-4
Diggs is a much shorter WR at just 6 feet and a slimmer frame vs Nico who has the ability to run through defenders.
Tank Dell 50/700/7TD

Stroud likes to throw down the field, Diggs will have opportunities but his numbers have been decreasing and he is now 30
Still, another ice weapon for Stroud coming into Year 2. 3 legit WRs to toss it around.
Stroud is top 3-5 at QB for me in terms of NFL and FF now.
 
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Sources: Bills finalizing trade of star WR Stefon Diggs to Texans​



The Buffalo Bills are finalizing a trade to send four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Stefon Diggs to the Houston Texans for draft-pick compensation, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday.
The Bills receive a 2025 second-round pick (via the Minnesota Vikings) in exchange for Diggs and a 2024 sixth-round pick and a 2025 fifth-round pick.

It's the latest win-now move for the Texans, who are surrounding quarterback C.J. Stroud with veteran talent this offseason.
 
Diggs has salary cap hits in the $27-$28m range. Though Bills will have to pay $5.6m of those each year as signing bonus hitting their cap immediately. Possibly also there might be an extra $3m savings this year if they had to pay his option bonus already. Assuming no money changed hands in the trade too.
 
GregR said:
Hrm, didn't see this when it happened 4 days ago, but heard it mentioned on the radio today: The Texans are restructuring veteran offensive lineman Tytus Howard’s $56 million contract to create $10.3 million in salary cap space. Houston now has over $27 million in cap space heading into April.
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Guess we know now why they restructured Howard to free up some space!
 
I think that is way too much to give for an older player. They would have been better off keeping the 2nd and drafting.

The texans were finally in a good position and they are going to blow it.
 
GregR said:
Diggs has salary cap hits in the $27-$28m range. Though Bills will have to pay $5.6m of those each year as signing bonus hitting their cap immediately. Possibly also there might be an extra $3m savings this year if they had to pay his option bonus already. Assuming no money changed hands in the trade too.
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His Sportrac page looks to be down at the moment (probably updating), OTC is showing the Option bonus as $16MM that was paid in 2023 and pro-rated so I am thinking we are only on the hook for his base salary, workout bonus and per game roster bonuses. So that would be roughly $19MM each the next three years (with nothing guaranteed after this year.) I think he was grumbling about pay with the Bills so they may rework his deal though. Perhaps convert some unguaranteed salary into a new bonus?
 
MTskibum said:
I think that is way too much to give for an older player. They would have been better off keeping the 2nd and drafting.

The texans were finally in a good position and they are going to blow it.
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I would approach it from a different POV, let me share and I do think you make a decent point, however...
Nico is entering Year 4 and then he's a free agent, I like him quite a bit but he only arrived when CJS showed up, maybe the Texans don't see him in their long term plans
Maybe they see Diggs as a 2-3 year guy while CJS is on his rookie deal
And maybe they don't want to have to see Nico go and then start over with more rookie WRs, they want to try and strike right now.
There are a lot of moving pieces here and they can replace that 2nd between now and April 2025.
I wouldn't be too upset yet.
 
From Overthecap article on the trade specifically and cost to the Texans:

Diggs will cost $19.005 million this year and has a non-guaranteed salary of $18.505 million in 2025. $3.5 million of that salary is injury protected. There are also non-guaranteed years in 2026 and 2027 worth $19.6 million and $18 million respectively.
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
MTskibum said:
I think that is way too much to give for an older player. They would have been better off keeping the 2nd and drafting.

The texans were finally in a good position and they are going to blow it.
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I would approach it from a different POV, let me share and I do think you make a decent point, however...
Nico is entering Year 4 and then he's a free agent, I like him quite a bit but he only arrived when CJS showed up, maybe the Texans don't see him in their long term plans
Maybe they see Diggs as a 2-3 year guy while CJS is on his rookie deal
And maybe they don't want to have to see Nico go and then start over with more rookie WRs, they want to try and strike right now.
There are a lot of moving pieces here and they can replace that 2nd between now and April 2025.
I wouldn't be too upset yet.
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The QB play and coaching was terrible during Nico's first 2 years and everyone knew it. They should have given that money that they are paying Diggs to Nico instead and used the 2nd rounder on another rookie WR.
 
The 2nd rounder we sent is Minny's 2025 2nd rounder (which I pasted before but apparently missed having it register). We still have two 2nd round picks (2.10 and 2.27) in this draft. Plus have the extra 6th this year.
 
GregR said:
The 2nd rounder we sent is Minny's 2025 2nd rounder (which I pasted before but apparently missed having it register). We still have two 2nd round picks (2.10 and 2.27) in this draft. Plus have the extra 6th this year.
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I knew the trade.

It is bad practice to trade for an older wr that the other team obviously wants rid of.

Bills are eating tons of dead money.

This trade is lose-lose.
 
GregR said:
The 2nd rounder we sent is Minny's 2025 2nd rounder (which I pasted before but apparently missed having it register). We still have two 2nd round picks (2.10 and 2.27) in this draft. Plus have the extra 6th this year.
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I get the reservations, Diva Headcase WR's rarely stop being Diva Headcase WR's for long. Honeymoon may be over in just a short year or two but at that point we should be able to cut him with little impact (unless they drastically rewrite his contract.)

They will need to make some moves next year to cut salary and hit on some draft picks long-term though IMO. We are overpaying guys like Tytus for example. But at least those short-term $ deals like Hunter all drop-off in '26 when Stroud will be getting extended (and his big new hits may not really come from another year or two after that too.)
 
I agree there's some risk to it in various aspects. His play could drop off with age over the years left. He could become a distraction.

Also some benefits. Salary-wise we're getting him on the cheap. If we'd gotten Keenan Allen that was a 4th round pick the Bears sent for him (ETA: We offered a 2025 day 2 pick), but he only has 1 year left if I recall correctly and so Bears will have to be writing him a contract that is probably more than $19m or 18m a year for the next 3 years after.

We have very little cap constraints on us when CJ, Tank and Will are up for extensions. We only have like $4m of dead money in 2027 Diggs is the only player whose contract runs that long, so the team is going to look very different down the road.

I don't disagree about using picks on cheap players and hoping you keep hitting. That would be my longterm plan if I was a GM. But I'm also not against going for it a little bit in this rare situation of having the best ever rookie QB season still on his cheap contract. One reason I liked the trade down that they did to pick up the two 2nd round picks which let us make this trade.

I think they can probably still make a Nico extension work. We still have somewhere around $10m-$14M in cap room this year depending on whether you believe OTC or Spotrac. Tunsil has a $20m salary that could be restructured, and Nico could get a big bonus spread out over future years.
 
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I see this as swinging for the fences. A couple year rental player who can elevate chances to win a championship, and it costs you what will likely be an early 2nd (Minnesota’s)

I would want my team to make moves like this. The Bills did just that with Von Miller, it just backfired. But you can’t have regrets when you take your shots if you miss.

Diggs will have a big year and be super motivated.
 
This is going to be a nasty WR trio. Really glad they made a move to get some WR depth. Nico and Tank are bright young WRs but haven't shown the ability to stay healthy either.
 
Yeah, I am looking at this like T.O. going to the Eagles. He blew up for a year and they made it to the Superbowl. The wheels came off the bus the following year with massive drama, hopefully we can avoid something quite that dramatic as what little I know of Diggs he's not quite the T.O. level of diva!

Offense should be fun to watch with all these guys, hopefully the O'line can stay healthy. I imagine at least 2 out of our 3 day two picks will be defense, but hoping they try to add to the offensive line too.
 
Robert Woods if released would be a $4.75m cap hit, but we'd get a net $4.9m increase in cap room after accounting for that.

ETA: If traded though the cap hit would drop by $1.5m to $3.25m I believe, and the cap savings increase by that much to $6.4m as some of the cap hit is guaranteed salary that his new team would take on. Don't ask me who would trade for him.
 
ESPN article:
Grade for the Texans: B
Grade for the Bills: C+

The aforementioned areas of concern in Diggs' numbers and his age (he'll turn 31 in November) are why this is not necessarily a home run for Houston. There are real questions about what caliber of player Diggs is going forward, and the draft capital exchanged wasn't trivial -- though getting back two late-round picks takes a little sting out of it. Still, the Texans are firmly in their rookie-QB Super Bowl window and earn the right to pay Diggs below market value -- perhaps for multiple seasons -- so I certainly understand pushing their chips in.
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GregR said:
ESPN article:
Grade for the Texans: B
Grade for the Bills: C+

The aforementioned areas of concern in Diggs' numbers and his age (he'll turn 31 in November) are why this is not necessarily a home run for Houston. There are real questions about what caliber of player Diggs is going forward, and the draft capital exchanged wasn't trivial -- though getting back two late-round picks takes a little sting out of it. Still, the Texans are firmly in their rookie-QB Super Bowl window and earn the right to pay Diggs below market value -- perhaps for multiple seasons -- so I certainly understand pushing their chips in.
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I thought the Bills got too much
 
Buckna said:
Yeah, I am looking at this like T.O. going to the Eagles. He blew up for a year and they made it to the Superbowl. The wheels came off the bus the following year with massive drama, hopefully we can avoid something quite that dramatic as what little I know of Diggs he's not quite the T.O. level of diva!

Offense should be fun to watch with all these guys, hopefully the O'line can stay healthy. I imagine at least 2 out of our 3 day two picks will be defense, but hoping they try to add to the offensive line too.
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Is anyone a T.O. level diva?
 
Snotbubbles said:
Buckna said:
Yeah, I am looking at this like T.O. going to the Eagles. He blew up for a year and they made it to the Superbowl. The wheels came off the bus the following year with massive drama, hopefully we can avoid something quite that dramatic as what little I know of Diggs he's not quite the T.O. level of diva!

Offense should be fun to watch with all these guys, hopefully the O'line can stay healthy. I imagine at least 2 out of our 3 day two picks will be defense, but hoping they try to add to the offensive line too.
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Is anyone a T.O. level diva?
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Actually thought about typing that!
 
Schefter mentioned that the Minnesota-Houston trade, it had been Houston who called Minny initiating the talk. As opposed to most of us thinking Minny went out looking for extra ammo for a trade up. Houston was looking for picks to be able to go and do something like they did with Diggs.
 
I did a thread just focusing on the Falcons and I plan on doing other teams, not sure if I will hit all 32 but I can safely say that the Houston Texans are likely next on my short list of some discussion about all the skill positions, especially after Diggs was brought on as one of their starting WRs.

It's going to be fun to see how high Stroud will go on the QB list, I have him easily Top 3-5 right now.
My guess is NONE of the WRs crack the top 10 only because CJS will throw to whoever is open and when they get a lead in the 2nd Half, seems like the ground game will be improved.
The Texans might not have to throw the ball ALL the time like they did last year.
 
GregR said:
Robert Woods if released would be a $4.75m cap hit, but we'd get a net $4.9m increase in cap room after accounting for that.

ETA: If traded though the cap hit would drop by $1.5m to $3.25m I believe, and the cap savings increase by that much to $6.4m as some of the cap hit is guaranteed salary that his new team would take on. Don't ask me who would trade for him.
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Unfortunately, I happen to know a team.
 
Faust said:
Are the Texans risking their rise by trading for Stefon Diggs? | Inside Coverage
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It's a good discussion I think. It kind of highlights that, this could really go either way.

There are a lot of reasons you could cite that it might not work out. Also reasons you could see it going differently in this new situation. They did a nice job hitting on a few of them. Also there's some aspects like the resulting cap costs and ability to get out of the contract without cost after year 1 if it did already go poorly.

It's a gamble, but I'd say it's a very calculated gamble. I don't even know how I'd assign odds to how it turns out. After how the team has been run the last 20 years, I do think they seem to be making some smarter decisions though at least in terms of realizing what they have and trying to maximize the window that's here.
 
Hmm, yeah don’t like that. In theory if he blows up and they let him walk they may get a decent comp pick out of it as they won’t have as many FA holes to fill next year. Perhaps there’s some sort of gentleman’s agreement that he’ll get some decent one year payments beyond his old contract #’s as long as he performs on the field. :shrug:
 
Yeah I wonder if there is more to it.

If there isn't, then they traded Minny's 2nd (call it, earlyish to mid probably), for a 5th, a 6th, a compensatory 3rd, and 1 year of Diggs playing in a contract year.

I'm going to go out on a limb then and guess that this might mean an extension for Nico? Nico's contract for this year is set, and with Diggs contract off the books after this year, then that money is there starting next year to pay Nico in an extension.
 
I don't get it either. Seems like a big give for a one year rental. Caserio is probably cooking up something in the lab so I'll try my best to be patient.
 
So just the draft picks involved, using Chase's chart. And not discounting future year picks as being worth less:

10.8 - Minny's 2nd (call it pick 42 same as they had this year

5.3 - Compensatory late 3rd (call it pick 99)
2.3 - 5th round pick 160 same as Bills have this year
1.2 - 6th this year pick 189

10.8 vs 8.8 just on the expected draft picks. So 2.0 point difference. Which is the value of pick 5.31, pick 166.

So you could say we're renting 1 season of Diggs for a late 5th round pick plus his salary ($22.5m).


ETA: This assumes we don't sign a big free agent that negates the compensatory pick
Edit again to add: If they don't get the compensatory pick, then he's costing about the equivalent of the 3.10 pick.
 
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