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With it being that time of the year, I figured this thread could house the various questions and advice people have for this process.
How high is your kid rising? May want to monitor that.I will start with a question I have.
My kid is a rising high school senior this year and we have been visiting a ton of schools.
More than a few schools we have visited have emphasized that they do not require any standardized test scores be submitted, leaving it up to the applicant to decide what to do.
I figure each school might treat this a little differently but does anyone know in general how these schools will treat the kids who don't send in the scores vs the kids who do?
My D is moving in as a freshman in college next week. The advice from her HS was to "visit" all schools she was interested in online, YouTube/Facebook/school sites and visit once accepted. Process worked greatI will start with a question I have.
My kid is a rising high school senior this year and we have been visiting a ton of schools.
More than a few schools we have visited have emphasized that they do not require any standardized test scores be submitted, leaving it up to the applicant to decide what to do.
I figure each school might treat this a little differently but does anyone know in general how these schools will treat the kids who don't send in the scores vs the kids who do?
Yes. It can be applied to any grade. Rising 8th grader etcIs 'rising senior' a pretty common term?
We have visited 13 colleges this summer and that is how every one of them referred to the class that was about to apply.Is 'rising senior' a pretty common term?
I think this was my concern. The only kids that send in the test scores are going to ones that are considered good scores and as such, they should have a leg up on the kids that don't send in the scores.Test optional schools truly are test-optional. They won't downgrade your kid's application if he/she doesn't submit test scores. However, they will give them a bump for good test scores. A rule of thumb is that if your kid's score is above the college's published midpoint for accepted students, then go ahead and send them. If they're below, then don't.
It's certainly better than a falling senior.Is 'rising senior' a pretty common term?
I have heard some schools will give you extra points for visiting several times and will give tips to those that visit and attend general application meetings in person.My D is moving in as a freshman in college next week. The advice from her HS was to "visit" all schools she was interested in online, YouTube/Facebook/school sites and visit once accepted. Process worked great
One of the schools we visited explained it like this:I have heard some schools will give you extra points for visiting several times and will give tips to those that visit and attend general application meetings in person.
We only visited 4 schools and it was on accepted student days . There were 3 private and 1 state university. All the privates made another money offer before the deadline and so did another we didn't visit . BTW the privates were Williams , Middlebury , Skidmore & Suffolk.I have heard some schools will give you extra points for visiting several times and will give tips to those that visit and attend general application meetings in person.
Being from the Boston Area myself, I have friends that went to many of those schools. Granted this was in the last century, over 25 years ago! One of my best friends from HS went to Colby. That was a great school, and there is something to be said for going to a school that's out in the middle of nowhere, you are 'forced' to focus on school because there is not much else to do. The most interesting part of going there in '88 was the fact that built in to your tuition was an Apple Mac. (The old R2D2 shaped version) This allowed the beginnings of networking at the school, and with everyone on the same machine it made it easier.I have been doing some more research on the 'test optional" schools.
The list of schools that are test optional is growing quite a bit. Some good second tier type schools like MIddlebury, Bowdoin, Brandeis, Trinity, Wesleyan, Bates, WPI, Boston College, Colby etc have all gone this test optional route.
I have read that this is actually working out better for the colleges than for the students. These colleges are seeing both a rise in total number of applicants (which allows them to reject more students to appear more exclusive), and have seen their average SAT scores rise significantly, since the ones that get submitted are obviously the good ones, which again makes them appear stronger.
What I have not been able to find is whether the children who are not passing in the test scores are treated the same as the kids that do during the admission process. Many schools that speak out say they do not treat the applications any differently and yet many of the skeptics say the tests will still be used as tie breakers if needed.
With those getting AARP invites, yes.Is 'rising senior' a pretty common term?
It is in college football and college basketball recruiting circles. Never seen it used anywhere else.Is 'rising senior' a pretty common term?
my nieces applied to somewhere around 15 each.How many schools do average seniors apply to these days? When I was a senior I only applied to Georgia Tech. I don't picture my kids applying to more than 2 schools, and with my daughter I'd guess it would be one.
Can they re-use the essays? Are the application fees reasonable?my nieces applied to somewhere around 15 each.
I think the internet applications have made things much easier in that regard... I applied to 5 schools- and that seemed like one or two more than normal back then.
Are there still 'fees' related to the applications? If so how much?my nieces applied to somewhere around 15 each.
I think the internet applications have made things much easier in that regard... I applied to 5 schools- and that seemed like one or two more than normal back then.
I suppose having everything done electronically makes things easier for the schools.sorry guys- I have no idea really.
I got the impression that the same essay was used for most of the schools. application fees... my brother isn't rich, so I don't see how they could've been too much.
There is the common app essay and that goes to every school that accepts the common app.Can they re-use the essays? Are the application fees reasonable?
I think the most I recall anyone in my school applying to was 7. Most of my buddies did an early decision route and about 80% of them were accepted.
15!?!my nieces applied to somewhere around 15 each.
I think the internet applications have made things much easier in that regard... I applied to 5 schools- and that seemed like one or two more than normal back then.
It really depends on the type of schools the child wants to go to.How many schools do average seniors apply to these days? When I was a senior I only applied to Georgia Tech. I don't picture my kids applying to more than 2 schools, and with my daughter I'd guess it would be one.
15 does seem overkill but some parents seem to go crazy with this stuff. I am pretty sure one of my nieces did over 20 because it was nearly a full time job for her mom who wanted to pit as many schools against each other as possible for financial aid etc. Twas too crazy for my tastes.15!?!
That is a lot.
This.It really ranges on the type of schools the child wants to go to.
If the schools are only safety schools, then the number can be limited.
If the child wants to focus on target schools (schools they look appropriate for but might not get in) the number needs to grow.
If the child has some reach schools, then the number has to grow even bigger.
Naviance is a nice tool for when the time comes. It will show you how children from your child's school have done when applying to specific schools based on their GPA and Test Scores. These charts are always interesting because you will see students that look like they should have gotten in, being rejected and vice versa.
My daughter has identified 4 she wants to apply to but 2 of these are reach schools (two Ivy leagues) and as such we need to add a few more to her list. Yay! More college visits :(
My oldest daughter, now a junior at Bowdoin College, applied to 8 or 9. Two highly exclusive/"reach" schools, 3-4 upper tier small liberals, and 2-3 safety schools. Seems like 5-10 is typical, based on the criteria NewlyRetired listed.Nugget said:How many schools do average seniors apply to these days? When I was a senior I only applied to Georgia Tech. I don't picture my kids applying to more than 2 schools, and with my daughter I'd guess it would be one.
Bowdoin got a lot of press lately based on their excellent dining options and attacks by Malcolm Gladwell.My oldest daughter, now a junior at Bowdoin College, applied to 8 or 9. Two highly exclusive/"reach" schools, 3-4 upper tier small liberals, and 2-3 safety schools. Seems like 5-10 is typical, based on the criteria NewlyRetired listed.
Yeah, I heard a lot about that from my daughter.Bowdoin got a lot of press lately based on their excellent dining options and attacks by Malcolm Gladwell.
thanks. For the interviews at the office, do you know if that should be done before the application is submitted? Or is it best to just call each school and ask?Students definitely make too much of these in their own minds. At highly selective schools, where you do the interview with an alum, the interviews are really more about alumni relations than they are about admissions. These kinds of interviews take place off campus and aren't even scheduled until your application is submitted.
Going to interview with the Admissions Office is still pretty low-key - the admissions people are nice, they like kids, and they want you to apply and feel good about their school. For schools that track demonstrated interest, just making the effort to go to campus and have the interview is the key thing, not so much what happens at the interview itself.
I think it varies from school to school. Pretty sure you can find this info on the Admissions sections of most schools' websites, or just call and ask.thanks. For the interviews at the office, do you know if that should be done before the application is submitted? Or is it best to just call each school and ask?
I made the call rounds last week trying to figure out what the last SAT date would be accepted for regular decision so I will just make the same round of calls againI think it varies from school to school. Pretty sure you can find this info on the Admissions sections of most schools' websites, or just call and ask.
This thing is impressive and really does help your kid zero in and whether the school is a safe, maybe, or reach. And it is kind of weird how people get in and don't get in with widely disparate scores.It really depends on the type of schools the child wants to go to.
If the schools are only safety schools, then the number can be limited.
If the child wants to focus on target schools (schools they look appropriate for but might not get in) the number needs to grow.
If the child has some reach schools, then the number has to grow even bigger.
Naviance is a nice tool for when the time comes. It will show you how children from your child's school have done when applying to specific schools based on their GPA and Test Scores. These charts are always interesting because you will see students that look like they should have gotten in, being rejected and vice versa.
My daughter has identified 4 she wants to apply to but 2 of these are reach schools (two Ivy leagues) and as such we need to add a few more to her list. Yay! More college visits :(
I love that part of it. I figure the kids who get in who don't look like they should have, must have some strong connections to the school likely through immediate family members working at the school.This thing is impressive and really does help your kid zero in and whether the school is a safe, maybe, or reach. And it is kind of weird how people get in and don't get in with widely disparate scores.
There really is so much pressure on kids these days. My kid's not at the level as a lot of your kids it seems, but even saying that she 4.0 with 1260 SATs and we're not even looking at tier two schools. In order to get into the level below Ivy's (like Northwestern for example), it seems like you can't have a single blemish on your record. My kid has played in the band, two varsity sports, and a decent amount of volunteering her high school career. I wonder how the admissions office weighs this versus someone who played no sports but got say 1320 on the SATs?I love that part of it. I figure the kids who get in who don't look like they should have some strong connections to the school likely through immediate family members working at the school.
I can't figure out though what happens to the poor kid in the upper right side of the chart who did not get in. It has to be something like a messed up application or an unexpected poor recommendation...
Our counselor did warn us though that some schools are changing rapidly. Schools like Northeastern are becoming harder and harder to get into and some of the older data on Naviance might give the wrong impression of a kids ability to get in.
my daughter and your daughter sound very similar.There really is so much pressure on kids these days. My kid's not at the level as a lot of your kids it seems, but even saying that she 4.0 with 1260 SATs and we're not even looking at tier two schools. In order to get into the level below Ivy's (like Northwestern for example), it seems like you can't have a single blemish on your record. My kid has played in the band, two varsity sports, and a decent amount of volunteering her high school career. I wonder how the admissions office weighs this versus someone who played no sports but got say 1320 on the SATs?
Really think you guys are over worrying. My D who is a fresh at Williams did horrendous her 1st 2 years in high school. Really bad . A strong junior yr and only 1 app class , which she got a 4 on the apt test , and she got in everywhere but 1 school. Relax , it's a buyers market.my daughter and your daughter sound very similar.
my daughter has an unweighted GPA of 3.97 (one A- is the blemish) in all AP and honors courses but low SAT scores in the 1200's. She is going to take them two more times but we are planning on not much improvement.
We are targetting schools that are test optional in case there is no improvement.
I think it varies tremendously school to school how much weight they put on the tests. Some do a lot, some less.
wow, this is the exact opposite of what I am being told when I research this stuff. I would consider Williams a reach school for my daughter. How was your daughters SAT's/ACT's? That piece is killing my daughter.Really think you guys are over worrying. My D who is a fresh at Williams did horrendous her 1st 2 years in high school. Really bad . A strong junior yr and only 1 app class , which she got a 4 on the apt test , and she got in everywhere but 1 school. Relax , it's a buyers market.
We're so consumed by high scores that we think this. 1200 is still the 70th percentile of the test. So on average only 3 people out of 10 did better.my daughter and your daughter sound very similar.
my daughter has an unweighted GPA of 3.97 (one A- is the blemish) in all AP and honors courses but low SAT scores in the 1200's. She is going to take them two more times but we are planning on not much improvement.
We are targetting schools that are test optional in case there is no improvement.
I think it varies tremendously school to school how much weight they put on the tests. Some do a lot, some less.