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2023 offseason dynasty IDP rankings (1 Viewer)
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Tick
Footballguy
Currently, I see the following:
- FBG has 3 sets: Norton 4/15, Haggan 4/15, Davenport 4/12, Belefeuil 4/11
- DLF has 4 sets: 4/5, 4/4, 3/29, 3/23
- IDPshow has rankings, updated frequently
- PFF: Macri 2/14
- FantasyPros has 3: Jorge 3/31, Tomasin 4/4, MasterIDP 3/2
- Dynasty Nerds has 1: 4/3
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Tick
Footballguy
Some other places I checked:
- IDPGuys (sub - might exist)
- Fantasy 6 Pack (sub - might exist)
- IDPGuru (sub - might exist)
- Dynasty Rewind (sub - might exist)
- Dynasty Football Factory (sub - might exist)
- 4 for 4 - it looks like they might just give a link to DLF rather than having their own
- Sports Illustrated
- RotoHeat
- Fantasy Sharks (exist, but complete garbage - Rashaan Evans LB1)
- Rotoballer
- King Fantasy Sports
- Dynasty Vipers
- Bruno Boys
- 5 Yard Rush
- IDP Army
- Fantasy First Down
- Club Fantasy FFL
- NFL Fantasy BR (seem to use FantasyPros as their ranking spot)
- Beast Dome
- FF Ghost
- Fantasy Data
- Athlon Sports
- Win My Fantasy League (appears dead)
- Tim's Fantasy Tips
- Expand the Boxscore
- Fantasy Football Empire
- FFToday
- Fantasy Endgame
- Gridiron Ratings (undated, but Martinez ranking implies old)
- Razzball
- Fantasy Headliners
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theidpshow
Footballguy
Hey Tick! We have dynasty rankings over at theIDPshow.com. They're available to paid supporters for $5/month or $50/year. Adam manages those rankings for us and updates them every day. I know I'm biased, but I think they're the best in the game. Just LOADED with info (e.g. game logs and college production). They're hosted on Google Sheets, so you do need a Gmail address, but once you become a paid supporter, we grant you access to the Google Sheet.
Tick
Footballguy
Here, I'll change the title to make it clear.
joey
Footballguy
Thanks. Did you make your usual thread in the Shark Pool as well and I just missed it? Love this thread (non-IDP aversion
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Tick
Footballguy
Nope, don’t know if I will or not.Thanks. Did you make your usual thread in the Shark Pool as well and I just missed it? Love this thread (non-IDP aversion
Tick
Footballguy
Not really rankings, but this looks worth reading: https://www.idpguys.org/idp-dynasty...n=idp-dynasty-profiles-free-agent-linebackers
Dacomish
Footballguy
@Joe Bryant First thank you for the brilliant IDP content this year! One thing as we now head into the off-season that is pretty important is the IDP dynasty rankings. I have noticed that there is only 1 set of IDP rankings at present (Bellefeuil) and as we start to work trades and such in the off-season it would be nice if there were more to get a wider range of thought. I know you had others last month but they seemed to have fallen off - any idea why rankings fall off after a few weeks?
Is there a way in your system to allow them to stay longer? Even if the rankings are older, that is still good data as it shows a thought process at that moment in time. Thanks!
Is there a way in your system to allow them to stay longer? Even if the rankings are older, that is still good data as it shows a thought process at that moment in time. Thanks!
Thanks. We'll be working on this for this month to see what we can do.
Thanks for the props on our IDP content. We look forward to an even bigger 2023.
No excuses on our need for updated dynasty rankings. It's easy to get caught up in the season and let those slip a little. I've asked the IDP crew to get those updated for everyone itching to make dynasty moves. We are also looking into the possibility of extending the lifespan for dynasty rankings a little. The tech stuff is out of my wheelhouse, but we'll see if that can be done. We have to be careful with that to some extent though. If we leave the window open too long, we could have outdated rankings skewing the consensus list. The goal will be to have several rankers and for everyone to update those at least once every three or four weeks at the minimum throughout the year.
Thanks for the feedback and for being part of our community.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Thanks @John Norton and it wasn't a shot at the staff for not doing rankings, just more of if they could be left up longer when they are done, I don't mind a set of rankings that is 2 months old because I would like to think I'm savvy enough to know if injuries, lack of production, benching, team/scheme changes ect happen or at least know to do my research on each player. Plus if a ranking is too old, the system allows you to drop rankings in the interface. Its just refreshing to see what the experts have to say on players at a moment in time. Also thanks for posting some updated rankings today as well!
Thank you again to @Joe Bryant for bringing us what we have coveted for years - and to all the IDP staff for the work this year, it has been incredibly refreshing this year in the content as there were at least 6 different pieces each week to help with FA moves and lineup decisions this year (I really liked the IDP Matchup tool when deciding between evenly matched IDP players), especially if I saw more than one FBG talk about a player any given week! That often helped me across the fence if I was teetering one it.
Tick
Footballguy
It always seems like that "howrecent=21" on the end of the URL should tell us how far back we want to look, it just doesn't seem to work to enter a larger number. That used to work before the rankings revamp... might be a nice solution to present them only up to a certain age, but allow people to look further if they're willing to dig deeper.
Tick
Footballguy
Looking through the current rankings, at DL, we don't see Bellefeuil's #11, Davenport's #11, or Norton's #13.
Is this a DE/OLB thing, or some kind of glitch where the player is missing from the chart?
ETA: More gaps than I initally saw... Bellefeueil's DL rankings are missing 11, 13, 17, 18.
Is this a DE/OLB thing, or some kind of glitch where the player is missing from the chart?
ETA: More gaps than I initally saw... Bellefeueil's DL rankings are missing 11, 13, 17, 18.
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I haven't looked at this data but could it be that he is a lot higher than the other rankers and that the combined rankings take these guys out of the data range? I have found that IDP rankings sometimes are widely different from person to person so his #11 might be the other guys #50 and #60.
I have no idea if this is the case here. Just another thought when using combined rankings if there are drastic differences in the evaluations.
Tick
Footballguy
It seems to me that FBG takes the approach (which I agree with) of listing every player ranked by anyone. Shaq Lawson had one 101st place ranking and made the list.
Tick
Footballguy
Seems to be fine today... maybe I was doing something wrong, or maybe they fixed it. Either way, it's good now.
Tick
Footballguy
Looking at the 8 rankings I have, some things stick out:
- Edge position is messy as always. IDPShow has Edge rankings, FBG has DL/LB, and DLF is somewhere between. Note that MFL is even further away from Edge than FBG - MFL has him at LB and even FBG has him at DE. Where FBG and DLF disagreed, it gave a 4/4 ranking split for players at Edge or LB. The split rankings, with DE listed first:
- Jaelan Phillips 5/69
- Josh Allen 8/56
- Joey Bosa 9/68
- Kayvon Thibodeaux 14/57
- Alex Highsmith 21/83
- Azeez Ojulari 28/93
- Joe Tryon-Shoyinka 50/95
- None of the other positions had any confusion I saw other than DLF ranking Divine Deablo as a safety... pretty weird at this point.
- FBG doesn't value age as much as the other sites. Older players are almost universally much higher ranked at FBG.
- Some weird splits between sites... 3/4 of FBG rankers put Asamoah and Rice in the top 58 LBs, while none of the three DLF rankers ranked either at all (they ranked about 70 each).
- I played around with omitting the lowest ranking for each player and it didn't really make a difference. Even Dexter Lawrence, who jumps from an average ranking of 40 to 31 by dropping the lowest ranking, would only move up one spot in the rankings.
- There was an occasional miss of a player - someone missed Grady Jarrett, another missed Aaron Donald. One might have missed Jack Sanborn, or might have thought he wasn't in the top 75 LBs... I called that a 76 ranking, if I leave it blank, he moves up from LB44 to LB41
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Tick
Footballguy
LB:
1 | Roquan Smith |
2 | Nick Bolton |
3 | Foye Oluokun |
4 | Devin White |
5 | Jordyn Brooks |
6 | Fred Warner |
7 | Pete Werner |
8 | T.J. Watt |
9 | Logan Wilson |
10 | Micah Parsons |
11 | Dre Greenlaw |
12 | Quay Walker |
13 | Shaquille Leonard |
14 | De'Vondre Campbell |
15 | Bobby Wagner |
16 | Cole Holcomb |
17 | C.J. Mosley |
18 | Zaven Collins |
19 | Troy Andersen |
20 | Drue Tranquill |
21 | T.J. Edwards |
22 | Devin Lloyd |
23 | Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah |
24 | David Long Jr |
25 | Frankie Luvu |
26 | Divine Deablo |
27 | Josey Jewell |
28 | Patrick Queen |
29 | Tremaine Edmunds |
30 | Eric Kendricks |
31 | Jamin Davis |
32 | Matt Milano |
33 | Isaiah Simmons |
34 | Ernest Jones |
35 | Shaq Thompson |
36 | Zaire Franklin |
37 | Willie Gay Jr |
38 | Nakobe Dean |
39 | Bobby Okereke |
40 | Lavonte David |
41 | Rashan Gary |
42 | Chad Muma |
43 | Rashaan Evans |
44 | Jack Sanborn |
45 | Haason Reddick |
46 | Demario Davis |
47 | Christian Harris |
48 | Cody Barton |
49 | Malcolm Rodriguez |
50 | Jerome Baker |
51 | Harold Landry |
52 | Matt Judon |
53 | Quincy Williams |
54 | Jordan Hicks |
55 | Za'Darius Smith |
56 | Josh Allen |
57 | Kayvon Thibodeaux |
58 | Uchenna Nwosu |
59 | Josh Uche |
60 | Myles Jack |
61 | Germaine Pratt |
62 | Nicholas Morrow |
63 | Denzel Perryman |
64 | Damone Clark |
65 | Brian Asamoah |
66 | Monty Rice |
67 | Khalil Mack |
68 | Joey Bosa |
69 | Jaelan Phillips |
70 | Christian Kirksey |
71 | Mykal Walker |
72 | Baron Browning |
73 | Alex Singleton |
74 | Kyzir White |
75 | Leighton Vander Esch |
76 | Ja'Whaun Bentley |
77 | Deion Jones |
78 | Alex Anzalone |
79 | Jacob Phillips |
80 | Kenneth Murray |
81 | Terrel Bernard |
82 | Jaylon Smith |
83 | Alex Highsmith |
84 | Channing Tindall |
85 | Travon Walker |
86 | Devin Bush |
87 | Robert Spillane |
88 | Kaden Elliss |
89 | Shaquil Barrett |
90 | Sione Takitaki |
91 | Leonard Floyd |
92 | Anthony Walker |
93 | Azeez Ojulari |
94 | Leo Chenal |
95 | Joe Tryon-Shoyinka |
96 | Micah McFadden |
97 | Zach Cunningham |
98 | Von Miller |
99 | Preston Smith |
Tick
Footballguy
DE:
1 | Nick Bosa |
2 | Maxx Crosby |
3 | Myles Garrett |
4 | Brian Burns |
5 | Jaelan Phillips |
6 | Danielle Hunter |
7 | Aidan Hutchinson |
8 | Josh Allen |
9 | Joey Bosa |
10 | Gregory Rousseau |
11 | Quinnen Williams |
12 | Chase Young |
13 | Jeffery Simmons |
14 | Kayvon Thibodeaux |
15 | Montez Sweat |
16 | DeForest Buckner |
17 | Chris Jones |
18 | Aaron Donald |
19 | Jonathan Allen |
20 | Sam Hubbard |
21 | Alex Highsmith |
22 | Kwity Paye |
23 | Christian Wilkins |
24 | Josh Sweat |
25 | Trey Hendrickson |
26 | George Karlaftis |
27 | DeMarcus Lawrence |
28 | Azeez Ojulari |
29 | Leonard Williams |
30 | DaRon Payne |
31 | Bradley Chubb |
32 | Travon Walker |
33 | Zach Allen |
34 | Dexter Lawrence |
35 | Odafe Oweh |
36 | Cameron Heyward |
37 | Jermaine Johnson |
38 | Cameron Jordan |
39 | Shaquil Barrett |
40 | Arnold Ebiketie |
41 | Carl Lawson |
42 | Yannick Ngakoue |
43 | Jonathan Greenard |
44 | Sam Williams |
45 | Javon Hargrave |
46 | Ed Oliver |
47 | Carl Granderson |
48 | Darrell Taylor |
49 | Drake Jackson |
50 | Joe Tryon |
51 | Dorance Armstrong |
52 | Kenny Clark |
53 | Payton Turner |
54 | Ogbonnia Okoronkwo |
55 | Boye Mafe |
56 | Grady Jarrett |
57 | David Ojabo |
58 | Marcus Davenport |
59 | Emmanuel Ogbah |
60 | Christian Barmore |
61 | Dre'Mont Jones |
62 | Randy Gregory |
63 | Romeo Okwara |
64 | Deatrich Wise Jr |
65 | Joseph Ossai |
66 | Jadeveon Clowney |
67 | Dayo Odeyingbo |
68 | Carlos Basham Jr |
69 | Chandler Jones |
70 | Charles Harris |
71 | Josh Paschal |
72 | Derrick Brown |
73 | Jordan Davis |
74 | Frank Clark |
75 | John Franklin-Myers |
76 | A.J. Epenesa |
77 | Dominique Robinson |
78 | Michael Clemons |
79 | Arik Armstead |
80 | Logan Hall |
81 | B.J. Hill |
82 | Cameron Thomas |
83 | Devonte Wyatt |
84 | Denico Autry |
85 | Zach Sieler |
86 | Alex Wright |
87 | Robert Quinn |
88 | Brandon Graham |
89 | Sebastian Joseph-Day |
90 | Chase Winovich |
91 | Trevis Gipson |
92 | Yetur Gross-Matos |
93 | Zach Carter |
94 | Patrick Jones II |
95 | Vita Vea |
96 | Carlos Dunlap |
97 | Justin Madubuike |
98 | Rasheem Green |
99 | Cameron Sample |
Tick
Footballguy
S:
1 | Derwin James |
2 | Budda Baker |
3 | Jalen Pitre |
4 | Jeremy Chinn |
5 | Antoine Winfield Jr |
6 | Jaquan Brisker |
7 | Kyle Dugger |
8 | Talanoa Hufanga |
9 | Minkah Fitzpatrick |
10 | Kamren Curl |
11 | Kyle Hamilton |
12 | C.J. Gardner-Johnson |
13 | Julian Love |
14 | Jamal Adams |
15 | Kevin Byard |
16 | Jordan Poyer |
17 | Brandon Jones |
18 | Richie Grant |
19 | Xavier McKinney |
20 | Jalen Thompson |
21 | Jessie Bates III |
22 | Justin Simmons |
23 | Jayron Kearse |
24 | Kerby Joseph |
25 | Eddie Jackson |
26 | Rayshawn Jenkins |
27 | Vonn Bell |
28 | Grant Delpit |
29 | Mike Edwards |
30 | Jevon Holland |
31 | Tracy Walker |
32 | Harrison Smith |
33 | John Johnson III |
34 | Amani Hooker |
35 | Justin Reid |
36 | Donovan Wilson |
37 | Adrian Amos |
38 | Daxton Hill |
39 | Taylor Rapp |
40 | Darrick Forrest |
41 | Marcus Maye |
42 | Andre Cisco |
43 | Jordan Whitehead |
44 | Tyrann Mathieu |
45 | Nick Cross |
46 | Lewis Cine |
47 | Bryan Cook |
48 | Chuck Clark |
49 | Xavier Woods |
50 | Jordan Fuller |
51 | DeShon Elliott |
52 | Logan Ryan |
53 | Terrell Edmunds |
54 | Darnell Savage |
55 | Jonathan Owens |
56 | Dane Belton |
57 | Juan Thornhill |
58 | Nasir Adderley |
59 | Quandre Diggs |
60 | Adrian Phillips |
61 | Camryn Bynum |
62 | Jaylinn Hawkins |
63 | Micah Hyde |
64 | Julian Blackmon |
65 | Marcus Williams |
66 | Damar Hamlin |
67 | Nick Scott |
68 | Trevon Moehrig |
69 | Jimmie Ward |
70 | Duron Harmon |
71 | Johnathan Abram |
72 | Eric Rowe |
73 | Jabrill Peppers |
74 | Kareem Jackson |
75 | Percy Butler |
76 | Andrew Wingard |
77 | Ronnie Harrison |
78 | Caden Sterns |
79 | Ryan Neal |
80 | Reed Blankenship |
81 | Ashtyn Davis |
82 | Rodney McLeod |
83 | K'Von Wallace |
84 | Marcus Epps |
@Tick good stuff.
Very strange DE vs LB rankings for players listed in both. Guys like Za'Darius, Chubb, and Landry not listed on DE at all but Phillips with a huge swing in value.
Obviously this is likely based on tackle heavy scoring which is one of the biggest issues I always have with rankings. Very rarely is big play scoring considered as those edge guys would be much higher in the LB'er ranks. Just something newer IDP players need to be aware of. Know your scoring system as that can lead to big advantages with hidden value off cheatsheets.
Very strange DE vs LB rankings for players listed in both. Guys like Za'Darius, Chubb, and Landry not listed on DE at all but Phillips with a huge swing in value.
Obviously this is likely based on tackle heavy scoring which is one of the biggest issues I always have with rankings. Very rarely is big play scoring considered as those edge guys would be much higher in the LB'er ranks. Just something newer IDP players need to be aware of. Know your scoring system as that can lead to big advantages with hidden value off cheatsheets.
You know. I find rankings are always missing something. Too bad we could not do mock draft here is some kind of best ball format like We have done in past for O. Even though that has died a slow death. I find these extremely beneficial for preparing and knowing correct values
theidpshow
Footballguy
Hey Crippler, over at The IDP Show we've been running IDP only best ball drafts on Sleeper all offseason. We're about to launch #20 actually and we'd love to have you join! I can't share links here but feel free to DM me if you'd like more details.
As usual it would depend on the reason you are dropping him. Who are you keeping instead? As a general statement I wouldn't be going out of my way to keep him but I wouldn't just drop him for the sake of dropping him either.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
He's on the wire in my two active leagues and nobody has added him. I suspect he will be dropped in my two inactive leagues once they wake up in August for waivers and drafts. I agree with Gally that dropping just to drop is unnecessary but I'd also wager there's a few players on the wire in nearly every league that I'd prefer for that roster spot.
