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Media Criticism (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
No. Not unless Lemon, after informing Smollett, then said, “here’s what I think you should do”, and proceeded to advise him not to turn over evidence.
My guess is that Lemon told Smolett that in order to persuade him to come back on air.
rockaction
Footballguy
Why are you all splitting hairs like this? CNN is a joke and is run by partisan hacks.
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timschochet
Footballguy
They’re anecdotes. Most of them aren’t what they appear to be. The ones that are aren’t conclusive.I know. Example after example has been linked here. It is what it is
I acknowledge that most journalists in the mainstream media are liberal. I acknowledge that this fact can subtly affect their reporting at times- subconsciously. But it’s never deliberate. As it’s been forever, the biggest motivating factor by far is ratings.
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m not splitting hairs. You’re wrong. CNN’s opinion shows are one-sided, but their news reporting is fair, reliable, and not run by partisan anything.
rockaction
Footballguy
No, it's on all the time in my household's background. Even the six o'clock show is framed in such a partisan way that it's laughable. It's not even worth spit in the wind.
timschochet
Footballguy
crackattack
Footballguy
When journalists put pen to paper, and allow their own personal bias into their articles, then it's deliberate. Not sure how it's not deliberate. Nobody is forcing their own biases into their own writings. You can call it subconscious if you want. I'll call them activists.
rockaction
Footballguy
Probably not. I thought you would defend the NYT, WaPo, etc., but not CNN. That's beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned. And I don't even care that they don't like the right-wing in its current iteration. Neither do I. But CNN's coverage is downright hostile to any right-leaning folks in the country. It's not a case of alternative facts or narrative framing. It's outright partisan hackery.
FairWarning
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
CNN was pretty good as recently as 6-7 years ago. It's a complete joke now.
I can only assume that people who defend CNN still think that MTV shows music videos and that Netflix sends out dvds in the mail. They're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for some time.
I can only assume that people who defend CNN still think that MTV shows music videos and that Netflix sends out dvds in the mail. They're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for some time.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'm not going to watch this until I can get a judgement form the Source CopsTM to see if it's legit or not.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am a so called source cop, and 100% for the long form podcast format to attempt to discuss things. Too bad I can't find too many right leaning ones that are tolerable to listen to. (hint, not because of the right leaning views)
unckeyherb
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
What about the other Source CopsTM @sho nuff and @squistion? Is this a unanimous decision between all 3 of you?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I will give that a listen, I like Taibbi. Don't think I've listened to an episode of Rogan since he went to just Spotify.
dkp993
Footballguy
As I’m not a legitimate “independent” in your eyes if I were you I’d pass on any recommendations I make.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
Taibbi is one of my favorites. Similar to Sam Harris I could listen to him talk for hours.
rockaction
Footballguy
squistion is on safari in the non-FBG desert.What about the other Source CopsTM @sho nuff and @squistion? Is this a unanimous decision between all 3 of you?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
His old fans are so upset. His Twitter feed is often him incredulous about his former followers' hatred of his newer political assessments.
I think both he and Greenwald are good follows on Twitter. Taibbi I haven't subscribed to, but get abbreviated versions of his newsletter. I don't consider myself easily impressed, but it's very sharp writing and very astute. Of course, I thought this when he wrote for Rolling Stone, too, though he infuriated me.
rockaction
Footballguy
FBG Moderator made an appearance and said "if you come back..." There's been no squis since, so...Joe clip him for ruining a music draft?
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rockaction
Footballguy
And the whole thing was unfortunate, anyway. Back to this thread.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, he quoted him what he said to Mister CIA and posted "If you come back...". I'll link it in an edit.
https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/801244-this-is-their-best-song-music-draft-saturday-nights-alright-for-ifighting/page/121/#elControls_23743640_menu
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
you gotta be wound a bit tight to bring down a music draft with that chill group.
now a movie draft?...
dkp993
Footballguy
It’s exactly the same. So if you liked it before you will now, if not you won’t. I enjoy it.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I'm sure, it's mostly I don't like listening to podcasts on Spotify for some reason. I have a pod app I use, and I'm old and stubborn
FairWarning
Footballguy
Speaking of social media (not sure if this the right thread) - Facebook adds a new category called Lifting Black Voixes right at the top? I’m assuming they put this on everyone’s. This is as pertinent to me as WWE videos or gardening. Don’t see a way to take it off either. Why do can’t monies have to source their agenda on everything?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I just looked at mine (damn you for making me open FB!
). I don't see that anywhere.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I’m looking on the mobile app , it’s under More in the bottom right corner. I basically just use it for organizing a class reunion. Probably some sort or profiling thing.I just looked at mine (damn you for making me open FB!
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Gotcha. I see it now.
ETA: I see stuff like that a bit now - I notice it on streaming sites. There will a "black voices"/"black stories" category or LGBTQ category, etc..
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
What about "Lifting White Voices"? When can they add that?
I'm absolutely against this type of crap. If you want to end racism, then that means we end racism WHEREVER it's coming from. You don't fight racism with even more racism. We don't need to be "lifting" black, white, gay, straight, trans ANYTHING.
By "lifting" one group over another, that's the very definition of racism. It's so absurd I have NO IDEA how the idiots in these companies make these decisions without seeing the irony and hypocrisy of it all.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Music drafts are Serious Business, guys.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I guess I should take it as a good sign that people like us are living in a time when we can be outraged about this? Just like my back and forth with SC in the other thread - I find people's lines interesting when it comes to this.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Speaking of pods, I started on the Rogan/Taibbi episode this am, and damn - is it me or are there a ton more ads in this thing? I thought he used to do more ads at the start, then the interview was undisturbed - or am I remembering incorrectly?
FairWarning
Footballguy
By forcing things you don’t want? Whatever happened to give the people what they want? This is really the essence of Big Media controlling the narrative.
If I don’t want it, am I racist?
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
So, to clarify, when black people have a problem we're supposed to take this seriously. But when white people have a problem it's to be gaffed off and joked about? Doesn't really count?
How about you reverse the colors of your statement and see how that plays?
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Can we not go there?
I don't have a problem with a company choosing to do that (I would hope it's what they want to do, not they feel they "have" to do it"). Sure, there should also be more customization of what you see too. I figured most of that stuff could be hidden or unfollowed.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Depends what the "problem" is, I guess. When your problem is a black Disney princess or having "black voices" as a category on your streaming service? Yeah, I might joke about that a little.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
That's the whole point.
You see that as okay but at the same time cry "RACISM BOOGEYMAN" around every corner. How can you NOT see that as ADDING to the racism problem.
If you're going to "uplift" black voices and carve out a special category, why aren't you doing it for white voices?
You guys want to push YOUR racism, but when someone complains then suddenly it's a joke?
Ending RACISM means that we end it for ALL, not just for some.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I do what now?That's the whole point.
You see that as okay but at the same time cry "RACISM BOOGEYMAN" around every corner. How can you NOT see that as ADDING to the racism problem.
If you're going to "uplift" black voices and carve out a special category, why aren't you doing it for white voices?
You guys want to push YOUR racism, but when someone complains then suddenly it's a joke?
Ending RACISM means that we end it for ALL, not just for some.
We probably don't have to carve out a special "white voices" because that is what 90% of the other selections are in my streaming service. I don't need to search for movies by white guys b/c I could probably randomly pick a movie and it's directed by a white guy. So no, I don't get upset when I click on my Criterion feed and there are categories for female directors, LGBTQ topics, or black voices or wonder where the button for straight white males is.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
The point is, you shouldn't be "carving" out anything related to race. It doesn't matter what the percentages are. If the goal is to end racism, then you don't do that by ADDING to the problem.
Meaning - and we'll use film as an example - when a black filmmaker makes a movie, you just add it to the entire list of movies of your library. If someone wants to watch it, they'll find it.
And since not ALL movies are "white voices", then we certainly need a category for them to help filter - just like we do for "black voices".
See how hypocritical your stance is?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It's been used as an example, and I guess I also see these topics a bit like a pendulum. Yes, I think the goal is to eventually reach that middle ground where aren't carving things out for race. I don't think we are there, and I would guess from your posts you think we are way past that point? Like I posted in the other thread my take is it's still tough for a POC or woman to get the reigns of a big movie. It's still hard for a different movies to make money or get a wide audience. I don't think the landscape is to that point yet where we are on equal footing as far as chances and reach.
What is boils down to is I guess I subscribe to a definition of racism like Kendi suggests (and am of the opinion that we are still in the process of correcting and achieving that middle ground), and you and SC and to others are more in the camp of never, never one race over the other.
I also don't think much of it because I like it when my movie streaming feed presents female directors and other categories in easy package like that, so I am biased that way.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I think I found your problem. Stop listening to the race hustlers and it might open your eyes.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Makes more sense to me than your approaches, because then nothing would get fixed, so I will stick with that or something similar. I don't agree with all his thoughts, but that idea seemed to put a voice to what I was thinking.
