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Same.Same.Yes, I didn't read startup draft there. Not egregious at all.
Although I’d still take the 1.
And same.
Same.Same.Yes, I didn't read startup draft there. Not egregious at all.
Although I’d still take the 1.
Extremely cheap for the 1.01.Startup draft trade. 1QB FFPC
Pick 1.01
For
Pick 1.10, 3.10, and a future 2nd and 3rd
With short benches and an abundance of picks it is not a bad move imo. You improved a position on paper and got a few years younger. If Burrow can stay healthy he should be a top QB.12 team PPR. Start 1 QB:
Gave: Goff, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10
Received: Burrow
I overpaid, but I had 11 draft picks so I had to consolidate somewhere. It makes me feel better about dropping some depth QBs now that I have a stud in Burrow. I still have a few too many picks in this short bench league, but at least they are 3rds (1.01-1.04, 2.03, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08).
Yes these are startup picks. An obvious distinction, lol.Startup draft trade. 1QB FFPC
Pick 1.01
For
Pick 1.10, 3.10, and a future 2nd and 3rd
Start 1 QB it’s an overpay, but it’s one I’d make to get younger/better at QB.12 team PPR. Start 1 QB:
Gave: Goff, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10
Received: Burrow
I overpaid, but I had 11 draft picks so I had to consolidate somewhere. It makes me feel better about dropping some depth QBs now that I have a stud in Burrow. I still have a few too many picks in this short bench league, but at least they are 3rds (1.01-1.04, 2.03, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08).
I like the overall effect but didn’t you all get a 2025 1st in the “net return”?12 Team SF QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 3FLex, SF
Net - Gave: 1.06, 1.07, 1.12 Got: Nabers, Levis, Odunze, 3.05
That’s a good price for Kupp’s upside. He could always surprise with a healthy top 15 season. Or at least a half-season of good games. Regardless, it’s worth a mid-2nd to find out.Superflex. Large rosters.
Sent: 2.06
Received Kupp
I am finally looking to compete. This season added J Jefferson and now Kupp so I should be one of the top teams.
Didn't get a 25 1st in this deal. Already have mine and a likely mid to high 25 1st in the bank.I like the overall effect but didn’t you all get a 2025 1st in the “net return”?12 Team SF QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 3FLex, SF
Net - Gave: 1.06, 1.07, 1.12 Got: Nabers, Levis, Odunze, 3.05
Also who was available at 1.06 & 1.07?
You indicated 4 QBs went before 1.07?
So MHJ & Nabers were only non-QB selected?? Ouch!
Good recovery on the unexpected draft!
Both of these are downright abusive. I can see why you went back to the well after the 1st one.Gave
Freiermuth,Pat
Ferguson, Jake
Tracy, Tyrone
Got
Kincaid, Dalton
2nd deal with same owner
Gave
Kirk, Christian
McConkey, Ladd
Got
London, Drake
Feels like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
QB’s are really hard to acquire in SF. I took Daniels over MHJ @ 1.02 due to the fact of not being able to trade out of that spot. Nobody was willing to pay for it.Didn't get a 25 1st in this deal. Already have mine and a likely mid to high 25 1st in the bank.I like the overall effect but didn’t you all get a 2025 1st in the “net return”?12 Team SF QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 3FLex, SF
Net - Gave: 1.06, 1.07, 1.12 Got: Nabers, Levis, Odunze, 3.05
Also who was available at 1.06 & 1.07?
You indicated 4 QBs went before 1.07?
So MHJ & Nabers were only non-QB selected?? Ouch!
Good recovery on the unexpected draft!
Our draft went:
Caleb
Mhj
Daniels
JJM
Nabers
Maye
Odunze
I should have anticipated the QB needy teams reaching higher in the draft to take JJM and Maye. I think I get hyperfocused on ADP and lose sight that teams often draft for need. It's something I need to work on for sure.
I think Freirmuth and Fergy for Kincaid is pretty close, Fergy finished ahead of Kincaid last yr and could again this year. He offered Kincaid out of the blue and I accepted and he offered london unsolicited as well. He is a new and very aggressive owner.Both of these are downright abusive. I can see why you went back to the well after the 1st one.Gave
Freiermuth,Pat
Ferguson, Jake
Tracy, Tyrone
Got
Kincaid, Dalton
2nd deal with same owner
Gave
Kirk, Christian
McConkey, Ladd
Got
London, Drake
How does that package net you Kincaid?
And how do McConkey + Kirk possibly add up to London?
I’m mystified. Congratulations on identifying the sucker in your league.
Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Yeah, I don't see it as too imbalanced - I've just found that Wilson shareholders have unreasonably high demands for him in trade talks.Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Wilson over the 1.4 but not as much as I’d have the 1.6 over Evans.
Generally speaking, in any 2:1 or 3:1 trade, the team getting the 1 is winning the trade.I think Freirmuth and Fergy for Kincaid is pretty close, Fergy finished ahead of Kincaid last yr and could again this year. He offered Kincaid out of the blue and I accepted and he offered london unsolicited as well. He is a new and very aggressive owner.Both of these are downright abusive. I can see why you went back to the well after the 1st one.Gave
Freiermuth,Pat
Ferguson, Jake
Tracy, Tyrone
Got
Kincaid, Dalton
2nd deal with same owner
Gave
Kirk, Christian
McConkey, Ladd
Got
London, Drake
How does that package net you Kincaid?
And how do McConkey + Kirk possibly add up to London?
I’m mystified. Congratulations on identifying the sucker in your league.
I agree with you and especially the two for one on smaller rosters though I actually though the second trade was closer then the first.Generally speaking, in any 2:1 or 3:1 trade, the team getting the 1 is winning the trade.I think Freirmuth and Fergy for Kincaid is pretty close, Fergy finished ahead of Kincaid last yr and could again this year. He offered Kincaid out of the blue and I accepted and he offered london unsolicited as well. He is a new and very aggressive owner.Both of these are downright abusive. I can see why you went back to the well after the 1st one.Gave
Freiermuth,Pat
Ferguson, Jake
Tracy, Tyrone
Got
Kincaid, Dalton
2nd deal with same owner
Gave
Kirk, Christian
McConkey, Ladd
Got
London, Drake
How does that package net you Kincaid?
And how do McConkey + Kirk possibly add up to London?
I’m mystified. Congratulations on identifying the sucker in your league.
IMO you won both of these pretty convincingly. Especially the 2nd.
I agree that the 1st is closer, but I still think Kincaid is significantly more valuable. Mouth might or might not finally break out - and while Ferguson outscored Kincaid, that was also Kincaid's rookie season and he is headed into 2024 looking like the #1 receiving target on that team. He could have a Kelce-like season.
If you drop Evans out of this I think its much closer than with him in.Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Wilson over the 1.4 but not as much as I’d have the 1.6 over Evans.
Agreed.If you drop Evans out of this I think its much closer than with him in.Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Wilson over the 1.4 but not as much as I’d have the 1.6 over Evans.
I am Wilson shareholder fwiw and like I said I'd take him over the 1.4 but if I could for instance turn Evans into Brian Thomas I'd be ok turning Wilson into Bowers or Odunze. Not to say it's a slam dunk either way, just seems equitable to me.Yeah, I don't see it as too imbalanced - I've just found that Wilson shareholders have unreasonably high demands for him in trade talks.Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Wilson over the 1.4 but not as much as I’d have the 1.6 over Evans.
As a Wilson owner I'd slam dunk accept someone offering me 4 and 6 for him.If you drop Evans out of this I think its much closer than with him in.Seems equitable to me.Was gonna post the exact same thing. I offered 2x 1sts for Wilson and was rejected with no counter.Seams like a free Evans.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB
Garrett Wilson and Mike Evans plus 4.10
for
1.04 and 1.06
Nice pull.
Wilson over the 1.4 but not as much as I’d have the 1.6 over Evans.
All of that is why I thought maybe I could buy him reasonably in 2 leagues.He's a proven really good NFL player, he's not a proven elite fantasy producer, has been the lowest end WR2 range both of his seasons. Now TD's can be flukey and he'll do better in that department and of course Rodgers is going to be huge for him. But as bad as the QB's have been his 1.37 fantasy points per target is pretty terrible and elite WR's should be able to overcome some of the obstacles and do better IMO and it makes me start to wonder if Wilson is merely really good but a step down from elite. We all talked about a big 4 in this format but I had two other players right after that big 4 in a tier of their own and if I can add a big 4 and one of Thomas or Brooks that would be an easy accept to me.
I'd probably turn that down flat as well tbh.In each I offered a 2024 1st + 2025 1st.
Yeah, I get that. I'm just not a fan of Daniels and didn't think his risk/reward was worth it for the 1.02.QB’s are really hard to acquire in SF. I took Daniels over MHJ @ 1.02 due to the fact of not being able to trade out of that spot. Nobody was willing to pay for it.Didn't get a 25 1st in this deal. Already have mine and a likely mid to high 25 1st in the bank.I like the overall effect but didn’t you all get a 2025 1st in the “net return”?12 Team SF QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 3FLex, SF
Net - Gave: 1.06, 1.07, 1.12 Got: Nabers, Levis, Odunze, 3.05
Also who was available at 1.06 & 1.07?
You indicated 4 QBs went before 1.07?
So MHJ & Nabers were only non-QB selected?? Ouch!
Good recovery on the unexpected draft!
Our draft went:
Caleb
Mhj
Daniels
JJM
Nabers
Maye
Odunze
I should have anticipated the QB needy teams reaching higher in the draft to take JJM and Maye. I think I get hyperfocused on ADP and lose sight that teams often draft for need. It's something I need to work on for sure.
QB’s in these particular leagues are very difficult to acquire.
Oh I get it - but to date Wilson hasn’t done anything to justify that cost other than making a highlight reel catch or 2.I'd probably turn that down flat as well tbh.
Would need that 2024 to be top 4 and that 2025 to project as very high. Put another way I had zero interest trading 6 this year for a future first, would have needed it to feel like a lock high pick next year. I did have a drop off after the top 6 this year, if this offer was 4 and 7 for Wilson I'd tell the owner he'll have to check back with me when 7 is OTC. What he did at 4, which was generally Odunze or Bowers, would not have mattered to me.
Not sure what a coach trade value …1.16, 2.16, 4.12
For
Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin
That seems like a lot for Jamo. I don’t know your IDP scoring though.PPR, TEP, IDP currently in the 3rd round. The more interesting trades involving veterans:
Jameson Williams for H riddick, Jerome Baker, pick 47
I’d pay that easily for Charbs.Zach charbonnet for pick 48
I’d pay that as well to get extra picks.Jonathan Mingo for pick 46
How do your coaches score? I like Overshown the most of the players.Stefanski, Kevin CLE Coach; Bosa, Joey LAC DE; Rozeboom, Christian LAR
For
McCarthy, Mike DAL Coach; Overshown, DeMarvion DAL LB
Not a bad return on a 31 y/o LBCJ Mosley for 2026 3rd
Seems like a bargain for Mixon for a ready to win team.Downs, Josh IND WR; Year 2025 Round 3 Draft Pick
For
Mixon, Joe HOU RB
That seems about right. Good value on still decent players. If I were selling I’d have asked for a 2025 1st over the 2024 2.16, but yeah.1.16, 2.16, 4.12
For
Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin
Edited to make it clear I like the Charbs side of this one.I’d pay that easily for Charbs.
How do your coaches score? I
That’s nuts. Was 1.13 on the clock with a specific player in mind?14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
1.13
for
2.11
2025 1st round pick
Insanely expensive for the 1.13 most people would be lucky to get a future 1st straight up
Sutton, Williams, & Tucker are all teetering on roster clogger status. So to me you dealt 2.11, 2025 1-2 for 1.07 + 1.1114 team PPR 1.5 TE (1st I traded this)
I gave up
Cortland Sutton
Jameson Williams
Sean Tucker
2.11
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
for
1.07 and 1.14
Aha - wow. That’s a great move up to 1.0314 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (2nd trade I did this)
I gave up 1.07 and 1.14
for
1.03
Draft begins Friday nightThat’s nuts. Was 1.13 on the clock with a specific player in mind?14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
1.13
for
2.11
2025 1st round pick
Insanely expensive for the 1.13 most people would be lucky to get a future 1st straight up
Well I know who I am taking it is now up to the player to not fail meAha - wow. That’s a great move up to 1.0314 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (2nd trade I did this)
I gave up 1.07 and 1.14
for
1.03
Surprised 1.03 went for that. Shark move. I wonder if your last trade partner saw that and regretted not going after 1.03 themselves.
ETA: better make it count. You moved 3 players + 3 picks for that 1 pick. Lot of eggs into one basket.
Maybe send him a motivational letter, or a nice fruit basket or something?Well I know who I am taking it is now up to the player to not fail me
That makes this even more bonkers.Draft begins Friday nightThat’s nuts. Was 1.13 on the clock with a specific player in mind?14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
1.13
for
2.11
2025 1st round pick
Insanely expensive for the 1.13 most people would be lucky to get a future 1st straight up
Good trading. Rome or Bowers?Well I know who I am taking it is now up to the player to not fail meAha - wow. That’s a great move up to 1.0314 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (2nd trade I did this)
I gave up 1.07 and 1.14
for
1.03
Surprised 1.03 went for that. Shark move. I wonder if your last trade partner saw that and regretted not going after 1.03 themselves.
ETA: better make it count. You moved 3 players + 3 picks for that 1 pick. Lot of eggs into one basket.
Fair deal. I am assuming 1QB league?Just pulled the trigger on this one...
2024 1.07
2025 4.0X
for
Kyler Murray
2024 2.11
What do you guys think?
I wouldn’t panick about Herbert. I think he’s going to be fine.I had Herbert and am panicking so made a move for Kyler.
Well, now you should have 2 above average QBs.Our QB scoring is very high so it's important to have above average QB scoring.